BYU-Idaho bans skinny jeans

Wednesday, December 07, 2011
I've worn skinny jeans many a time on Clothed Much.

According to The Student Review, an independent paper written by Brigham Young University students, BYU-Idaho's Testing Center recently put up a sign prohibiting anyone wearing skinny jeans to be admitted for both men and women. Advancement Vice President Henry J. Eyring was asked whether skinny jeans are in violation of the university’s honor code, which states that clothing should not be form-fitting. “It’s useful for us to realize that fashions will come and go,” Eyring answered. “There will always be some tempting new style.”

Gawker was able to get a statement from Eyring and his colleague Kevin Miyasaki. Miyasaki stated the following in an email correspondence with the author:
We have not identified "skinny jeans" as a specific violation of the dress and grooming standard. We are aware of the incident and the Student Honor Office is working with the Testing Center to address the issue.
The wording in the BYU-Idaho dress and grooming standard regarding formfitting clothing is as follows: 
"Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing. It should not have slits above the knee or be formfitting." 
The foundation of this standard comes from "For the Strength of Youth" which states, "Immodest clothing includes short shorts and skirts, tight clothing, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and other revealing attire. Young women should wear clothing that covers the shoulder and avoid clothing that is low-cut in the front or the back or revealing in any other manner." 
The Testing Center has not made any new standard, nor has there been a ban of a particular piece of clothing. The effort of the Testing Center as well as with other employees and students is to encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code.
I had been a student at BYU-I for three years and had to follow a few of its stricter dress codes such as no flip flops, no overalls (psh, easy), no shorts, no leggings, and no holey jeans. It wasn't as bad as you'd think. I did break the holey jeans rule a few times but that's because I had come from working at American Eagle where they're all about holey jeans and that's all I had.


I've been thinking about this issue for a while now. Are skinny jeans immodest? I think it depends on who you ask, how tight they are, and how much of you we're seeing.

I personally like skinny jeans and don't see myself not wearing them anytime soon. I've seen plenty of Mormon girls who wear skinny jeans tastefully. I've also seen plenty of Mormon girls who wear them not so tastefully. That can also be said about a lot of other clothing items and fashion trends.

But doesn't this fall under the Mormon clothing standard of not wearing form-fitting clothing? There are many other clothing items that Mormon women wear that could fall under this category such as fitted tops, most flared jeans (the thigh and butt area), and a lot of dresses. This may be one of the cases where since everyone else is doing it, it must be okay. Also, personal definitions of form-fitting clothing can vary from person to person; similarly with modesty.


What do you think? Was the BYU-I Testing Center in the right for banning skinny jeans? Are skinny jeans immodest?


Side note:  I've also heard of rumors that BYU-I was trying to ban messenger bags on girls because it accentuated the woman's chest when worn across the body. Can anyone confirm/disclaim that?



UPDATE 9:44 AM PST:  BYU-I made the following announcement on their Facebook page:
Wondering if skinny jeans are allowed on campus? They are. BYU-Idaho's longstanding dress & grooming standards promote principles of modesty and restrict formfitting clothing, but skinny jeans are not singled out or prohibited. In addition, the Testing Center issue reported in Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force.

65 comments :

  1. I remember a few years ago when BYU-I banned capri pants, and everyone went a little crazy. I don't think they're saying either skinny jeans or capri pants are immodest, I think they're trying to get everyone to look as professional as possible in school. That's what BYU-I has always been about. I personally didn't go to a church school, but I believe that if you choose to do so you choose to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't go there, it's as simple as that. 

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  2. I think the messenger bag thing is folklore. There was something about that when I was at BYU Provo. I think someone wrote to the Daily Universe about how it was inappropriate and a million people wrote back saying, "Get a life."

    I kind of think the problem is likely more with jeggings than skinny jeans. Jeggings can leave very little to the imagination (gross). And some people definitely do need to size up. My brother in law brought a girl home to meet the fam once who wore some of the most ridiculously tight, low-riding skinny jeans I've ever seen. It was kind of awkward for the rest of us.

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  3. Form-fitting clothing is specific to each body. I am petite and many "women's" clothes are too big for me, so when I actually want to be wearing clothes that are my size, I can't unless I go down to the kids section. It's all relative!

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  4. I think that BYU's (all of the campuses) dress codes are some of the dumbest things ever. That is one of the reasons I didn't attend. In my opinion, if you sign up to go there, you know what you're getting into before you get there. You understand that they're ridiculously strict when it comes to appearance, and if you don't like it, you don't have to go. 
    I think virtually any piece of clothing that is normally considered modest can be made immodest, depending on how it's worn. That being said, I agree with you - I think there's a classy way to wear skinny jeans. I also think, though, that it's stupid to ban them, considering that's almost all that is sold in stores right now. 

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  5. Great post! I'm not Mormon, but make an effort to dress modestly in accordance with my Biblical beliefs.  I do think that, as you said, skinnies can be tasteful and not so tasteful.  I have one pair I can wear on it's own, and a few others I treat more like leggings.  It all depends on the fit, material, and your own body shape.  Me and my hips have to be more careful! :)

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  6. I agree that it all has to do with whose wearing them and how. I don't personally wear them b/c of my large legs, but I know plenty of Mormons who do and are still modest in them. If they are super tight and low and worn with a really tight shirt, yeah, I would call that immodest. But well-fitting skinny jeans with a looser blouse? I call that modest. It's not an easy yes or no.

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  7. Modestly is not just a hemline or an inch of skin covered but an attitude. Like you and other Mormon fashion bloggers out there, you prove that clothing that may be technically "form fitting" such as a t-shirt or skinny jeans is still modest and tasteful - you put forth not just the outfit bu the attitude of respect and dignity that modesty commands. I am a Catholic and appreciate you putting yourself and your believes out on the interweb to encourage and inspire other woman that modesty is beautiful and stylish! Skinny jeans are a style and they can more often than not be worn with dignity and accentuate a woman's body and lend to her personal style without causing undue and impure attention. It's all about each individual woman's body and what looks good on her and directs her whole being to the Lord.

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  8. I think what they really don't want at BYU-I is skin tight clothing; like pants that are so tight they reveal too much. Skinny jeans can be that way, but so could flare jeans if they're tight enough! I think it's ridiculous that they "banned" them. Just because they're called "skinny jeans" does not mean that they are always skin tight. 
    I think what they really want to ban are jeggings because people wear them as pants. I'm not against it personally but I can see how some people at BYUI wouldn't like it.

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  9. I'm inclined to agree with a PP that BYU-I is more focused on a professional appearance than the Church at large.  That said, I think it's absurd to ban skinnies...being modest doesn't mean wearing a loose bag all day.  As for "form fitting," I think that's a tricky area.  Of course, we shouldn't be wearing skin tight clothing that reveals too much...but yes, I wear clothing that fits my form - not in a tight way but in a "this actually fits my body shape" sort of way.  But then, I attended a heathen university. :)

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  10. My feelings about prescribed modesty and seemingly gender-biased rules aside, I think that skinnies can easily fall into the immodest category. Now, compared to, say ... leather pants, they're plenty conservative.

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  11. What I can only guess that they really mean is "skin-tight pants/jeans," so I think it's weird that they specifically say "skinny jeans."  You can have non-skinny jeans, like flares, that are so low-rise and skin tight that it's gross.  And I agree with other commenters that some of the real problems are just people wearing leggings/jeggings and acting like they're "skinny jeans."  I've always wondered about people who are supposedly dressing "modestly" just because they're not showing skin, but they're definitely wearing tight clothing.  I always think, what's the difference?  Yeah, I think showing lots of cleavage is different than wearing "form-fitting" clothing, but I sometimes think that both things accomplish the same goal - trying to show off your body. 

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  12. I would hope that women would wear "formfitting" clothes. Clothing that doesn't fit your form is not going to look good on you. booo. I don't like that statement! They should change "formfitting" to say "skin-tight" or something.  skinny jeans are completely different then leggings so maybe they should specify that. and what if your wearing a long shirt over your skinny jeans then it shouldn't matter at all.
    That is just a stupid rule. just as the men having to shave is..geez, Jesus had a beard people!

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  13. I'm not Mormon but I think this seems a little extreme. I think this rule was invented by people who can't tell 'jeggings' from 'skinny jeans'. Sure some outfits might cross the line but that seems like ruling against pencil skirts or T-shirts because some people wear them inappropriately. There are plenty of ways to wear skinny jeans modestly.

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  14. i go to byu-idho and i fa-reaking hate it. They should be less concerned about skinny jeans and messenger bags and be more concerned with the pervy boys getting boners everytime a girl walks by because you can see two distinct boobs and the shape of their butt. I don't think skinny jeans are "immodest" if you wear them correctly and in the correct size. There are too many girls wearing them 3 sizes to small. Therefore we're getting glimpses of butt cracks and muffin tops. No one wants to see that.

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  15. i could never go to that school... all i wear are skinny jeans! haha

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  16. i think the lines between jeggings and skinny jeans are being blurried, as well as what is appropriate with any clothing. i go to byu and am grateful they are not as strict, but really does it matter? we are all blessed to go to church schools where our concerns are not strictly our grades and what weekend party we will be attending, but rather growing spiritually and properly representing our Heavenly Father. with this being said, it would hard for me to follow this rule if i went to byu-i. but at least it's winter and you can tuck them into boots and they'll never know!

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  17. We have not identified "skinny jeans" as a specific violation of the dress and grooming standard. We are aware of the incident and the Student Honor Office is working with the Testing Center to address the issue.

    The Testing Center has not made any new standard, nor has there been a ban of a particular piece of clothing. The effort of the Testing Center as well as with other employees and students is to encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code.-Kevin MiyasakiStudent Services and Activities Vice President

    SKINNY JEANS HAVE NOT BEEN BANNED. THE ARTICLE WAS MISLEAD.


    Also this statement was also given on the BYU Idaho Facebook Page:

    Wondering if skinny jeans are allowed on campus? They are. BYU-Idaho's longstanding dress & grooming standards promote principles of modesty and restrict formfitting clothing, but skinny jeans are not singled out or prohibited. In addition, the Testing Center issue reported in Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force.

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  18. I go to BYU-Idaho and think the Testing Center was out of line in banning skinny jeans. Yes, they can be immodest if worn incorrectly, but so can almost every other type of clothing. 

    The university itself doesn’t ban skinny jeans and the issue with the Testing Center has been corrected and is no longer in force. BYU-Idaho does have a strict dress code, but this skinny jeans deal had nothing to do with the university, it was just the Testing Center stepping out of line and making their own rules. 

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  19. This was posted on the BYU Idaho Facebook page:
    Wondering if skinny jeans are allowed on campus? They are. BYU-Idaho's longstanding dress & grooming standards promote principles of modesty and restrict formfitting clothing, but skinny jeans are not singled out or prohibited. In addition, the Testing Center issue reported in Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force.

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  20. All I can say is that I'm grateful that I don't go to BYU-I. I think it's weird that some dress restrictions are enforced at BYUi but not at BYU. I am not complaining that we don't have it here but I think it's not fair for them. Skinny jeans can definitely be immodest if you wear really tight ones. But I personally love my skinny jeans and I know I wear it modestly and I think that's what really counts.

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  21. I saw on their facebook page today: http://www.facebook.com/BYUID  that they are still allowed and that the Testing Center issue reported in The Scroll has been corrected and is no longer in force. (But the whole fact of it did get me thinking too...)

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  22. Kayla is right.  I was there 10ish years ago when the Daily Universe published that letter.

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  23. I don't mind skinny jeans, as long as they are skinny, not skin tight.  I don't think it's appropriate to wear leggings as pants though.  They've turned into another white tank top of mormon attire.  It's okay to wear them occasionally, but they are not a fix all for all modesty problems.  

    The messenger bag thing was a letter to the editor when I was at BYU.  The campus never considered banning it as far as I know, but it was just much discussed via the newspaper. They called it "The Divider" it still cracks me up to this day.  

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  24. Awesome, (that they lifted the ban). I think that's kind of a little fashion victory for Mormon girls everywhere.

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  25. Not interested in letting my religion dress me.

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  26. This is such an interesting issue, I'm loving reading the comments! And as a sidebar, I am totally in love with those yellow skinny jeans in the 2nd photo!

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  27. The Girlie BloggerDecember 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    Wow. I had no idea that there was a paper written on skinny jeans. Must be a huge issue among some students. I don't think they are immodest. But then again, what do I know?

    I like your yellow ones, btw.

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  28. I think the school is mainly talking about the ultra low cut super tight skinny jeans, in which case those can be quite revealing. I personally am into higher waisted pants, and my skinnies are never too skinny and tight. I think it all depends, but I can see why the school would be against booties hanging out and bellies showing! I think it's more modest to wear skinny jeans with a longer and looser fitting top, or a long sweater. Then I don't see how it could be an issue!

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  29. they should not band skinny jeans. thats stupid and they are making it harder for us and its making people want to rebel more. skinny jeans are totally fine, i think. go skinnys!!

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  30. I don't view them as immodest, but I am not a member of a  religion that has rules for modest dressing.  Skinny jeans are formfitting, so as long as other types of fitted/tight clothing are banned as well, I guess it makes sense.

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  31. I agree with the comments about the main problem being skin-tight clothing, not so much form-fitting.  Although most of the skinny jeans I see could definitely be considered skin tight, but so could most others because they all seem to be skin tight around the butt and thighs. 

    I think the real problem (that makes me rather sad) is that the young women (and sometimes not so young!) of the world, and especially the Church, are buying into the view that the more a man wants to have sex with them, or thinks about sex when he looks at them, the more of worth they are. 

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  32. huh. 
    this is news to me...and i personally don't agree with the skinny jeans thing. BUT! i see where they are coming from. 

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  33. I'm not religious at all, but I believe in dressing modestly.  For me, modesty is not showing off anything you'd see if you were wearing a bathing suit (or less!).  It's about respect for yourself and the people around you, and frankly - it's about dressing like an adult.  For others, it's more than that. 

    I follow a handful of Mormon fashion bloggers and while I don't see a lot of upper thigh and cleavage, I do see a lot of form-fitting clothing (skinny jeans, pencil skirts, etc).  I don't see anything wrong with form-fitting clothing unless it's so tight a person is falling out of it, and that's a personal, aesthetic preference.  It seems to me that if you can get away with not showing off too much skin, wearing form-fitting clothing should be fine because that means it *fits* you.  Wearing baggy clothing is just as distasteful as a muffin top and quad-boob, in my opinion.  It says you don't care. 

    As for the idea that we should dress in non-form-fitting clothing so that we don't give guys "improper" thoughts, well... guys are going to think about sex no matter what.  That's a proven fact.  And if they want to act inappropriate because they can see you have boobs or a butt, that is their fault, not yours. 

    In short, yes to skinny jeans!

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  34. I don't mind to be honest (I too went to BYU-ID). While I understand it was something the Testing Center itself put up (not church policy and was later retracted), would it have been such a big deal if it was campus wide? But then, I always had the attitude that if you were going to complain about something then leave. :) They have rules and every one is expected to live by them. Was the the no-sandal thing annoying? Heck ya. But I would go to class, come home and slip them on. Not a big deal.
    But then I remember how little these freshman are and how dramatic everything has to be... hahaha

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  35. I completely agree!  I was raised Mormon (but am not now) and I always got the impression that as far as they are concerned, the fault lied with the female, always.  Like if a guy lusts over them, it's their own fault because of how they present themselves, never mind the creepy guy.  It's always about the girl tempting the guy and "making" him want you, it's never seen as the guy's fault.  
    And yeah, muffin tops and g-strings are not cute.

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  36. I never went to BYU-I or (Rick's) but I think hey it's a private school and if they want to make that rule THEY HAVE EVERY SINGLE RIGHT TOO!  You don't have to go to school there it's not funded by tax payers $ so if they want to make that rule fine by me.  I personally wear skinny jeans and feel they are modest but I also have seen plenty of women wearing leggings as jeans and that is well tacky!  

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  37. Haha I heard about this and had to laugh.  I thought, "Those poor BYU-I girls!"  I don't think skinny jeans are immodest.  They CAN be immodest if you wear them that way, but that's true of any kind of clothing.  I'm glad it was just a false alarm because I think it's dumb to have really strict guidelines about what students can and can't wear.  I understand that there do have to be some rules, but I like what Joseph Smith said, something along the lines of, "I teach the people correct principles and they govern themselves."  College students are adults and, for the most part, should be able to determine what's modest or immodest for themselves.

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  38. every time i wear skinny jeans i hear Stacy and Clinton yelling in my ear, "no tapered pants!!" i don't like them. i hate that they're called "skinny" when they just make feel fat. but i wear them. oh i wear them. but i prefer my boyfriend jeans. so very much.

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  39. Wow, I just love Eve's response and for me, she nailed it. I've just started to get into the skinny trend, and you can definitely find skinny pants that are tasteful.  I'm in the YW pres. now and am finding that it's really important to teach this policy of classy dressing to the youth. Our biggest issue at church is leggings under short skirts (a whole other argument!) and clothes so tight they leave very little to the imagination. We have to teach them that they don't need to sell their bodies, and to use new trends modestly! And I think you do so beautifully on your blog :)

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  40. Look at your yellow "skinny jeans". They're so tight the pants are creasing in the crotch area and almost giving u a camel toe. Honestly. You look like every other girl out there who wants to look "sexy" without showing too much skin. I dont see how you're SOMODEST.

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  41. dear, I love skinny jeans!
    like your stile!!


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  42. I think it's interesting that 99% of the comments here are FOR skinny jeans. None against?

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  43. Love your outfits girl. You're fantastic! 

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  45. I'm not a Mormon, but I am a Pentecostal Christian with a fairly "strict" dress standard. I don't wear pants, at all. I'm not exaggerating when I say I honestly don't care about what others choose to wear, it's not my business. But I don't agree that skinny jeans are inherently modest. Sure, it could be much worse. But I can't agree that pants that create a clear outline of the butt and legs are always themost modest thing. I've only been a Christian for a few years so I definitely know how comfy jeans and leings are. However, I don't see the difference between the silhouette of a tunic/long shirt over leggings or skinny jeans and the silhouette of a short dress or skirt with tights, which is something most modesty standards agree is not okay. When worn properly, skirts and dresses are pretty and stylish, which you constantly prove :) Yet, there's no clear outline of any sexy bits, lol. They're cute, and I get inspiration from outfits including skinnies, but I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing them.

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  46. I am at BYUH and personally I get frustrated when I see girls walking around with skin tight jeans that are suction cupped to their legs.  I do own a pair of skinny jeans, however they are not 100% spandex nor are they pajama jeans.  They are actual denim and show a figure.  I got rid of my old ones before I came out to BYUH and it took me 4 months to find a pair of jeans that didn't feel like I was walking around with nothing on (btw I found them at Old Navy).  So I know it is hard for people to find a good pair of skinny jeans that will be trendy but can be bought on a budget.   I don't know who said this but she said "A dress should be tight enough to show you are a woman, and loose enough to show you are a lady." In all forms of fashion there is a way to dress classy and wear trends well.  I know that it would be hard to enforce anything concerning tighter fitted pants but I think girls should look themselves in the mirror when they are in their outfits and ask themselves what they are portraying to people, guys AND girls.  I think it is an important topic and will get students and also myself to really reanalyze what is in our closets and maybe make some adjustments to fit what we feel modesty is with the guidance of  the church standards.

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  47. Wow, wow, I really struggle when a church decides to dictate dress. A messenger bag and skinny jeans. Definitely issues that should concern a campus when we are still in two wars and poverty and joblessness are rampant in our country. I prefer grace to judgement. There is a song that has a line,I am botching it, but something to the effect of all your religion was is a stone tied to my feet. It's got to be more like falling in love. Avert one's eyes and focus what is pure and true and lovely

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  48. Rachel_at_A_Little_Bit_of_RayDecember 9, 2011 at 8:51 PM

    When I was at BUY-I 10 years ago overalls were still in fashion and so many of us girls hated that we couldn't wear them on campus.  I think it's funny that it's no big deal now.  And the flip flop and shorts bugged us too.  What else do you wear in the summer? We always wondered why they were so much stricter than BYU.  

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  49. Woah! I have been looking at this blog as a way to be tolerant of people believing in stuff and to see what their whole thing is about, as well as because it is a fashion blog, and it is interesting and the author is a cute dresser, but this is a scary debate in my opinion. This whole dialog seems to feed into the "blame the victim" and "she was asking for it" routine, which has no basis in reality or statistics, as even "modestly" dressed women get raped and sexually assaulted. This is an anti-women rhetoric, and to quote Crass "how well you've been taught to support your oppression." There are a lot of illogical thought processes going on here, for example, to quote another commentator "I think the real problem (that makes me rather sad) is that the young
    women (and sometimes not so young!) of the world, and especially the
    Church, are buying into the view that the more a man wants to have sex
    with them, or thinks about sex when he looks at them, the more of worth
    they are", but this is exactly what this whole modesty thing is doing too; inferring a woman's worth based on her appearance, and the only difference is the end conclusion of worth; either a modestly dressed woman is valuable or a non-modestly dressed woman is valuable, but either way a woman's value is derived from the way she is dressed. This is an archaic system invented by men to oppress women and maintain a social hierarchy that only allowed women to attain status and value via the man that owned them a.k.a. their husband, and the brilliant part of it is that it makes women the enforcers of this arrangement, and taken to the extreme results in female genital mutilation being inflicted by the mothers and female relatives of the girl because having a sexually promiscuous daughter, i.e. a daughter with intact genitalia, reflects so badly on the mother and family at large or so-called 'honor killings' being carried out by female relatives as well as male, to protect the family's honor. Maybe you all should watch "The Stoning of Soraya M." to get an idea of how dangerous this line of thinking really is, and how much it is not just a silly debate over skinny jeans.

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  50. Yikes. I think your comment may be a bit extreme.

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  51. I'm a student at BYUI and a reporter for the Scroll (who broke the story). I honestly feel that if you go to school here you need to obey the rules. You were told the rules BEFORE you accepted an offer to attend school here. If you don't agree with them, then go to school somewhere else. There are tons of people who would love the opportunity to go here. 

    Messenger bags aren't banned. I heard that rumor four years ago before I went here, but I've never heard that they are actually doing it. 

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  52. I believe in being dressed modestly and I feel women should be conscious of what they're wearing regardless if they are at that school or not.  I am a recent convert to this church and one thing I've learned is that guidelines and rules are set up for OUR benefit.    People in these comments who are making it seem like it's such a big deal about not being able to wear skinny jeans need to see the perspective of who  is enforcing it.  Modesty and worldliness don't go hand in hand, it's the total opposite.  I highly doubt they banned skinny jeans because people were wearing them modestly, I'm pretty sure it's because majority of them weren't. 

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  53. A simplified life that brings spiritual blessings requires the wearing of simple and modest clothing. Our dress and grooming send a message to others about who we are, and they also affect the way we act around others. When we are modestly dressed, we also invite the Spirit of the Lord to be a shield and a protection to us.Worldly trends in women’s fashion are always inviting extremes. With their latest styles many fashion designers appear to be trying to make two or three dresses out of the amount of fabric necessary for one. Mostly, they are taking too much off the top and too much off the bottom of women’s clothing, and occasionally they scrimp in the middle too. Men’s fashions are also adopting extreme styles. In my day they would be called sloppy and inappropriate. I believe very casual dress is almost always followed by very casual manners.Many of you are trying too hard to be unique in your dress and grooming to attract what the Lord would consider the wrong kind of attention. In the Book of Mormon story of the tree of life, it was the people whose “manner of dress was exceedingly fine” who mocked those who partook of the fruit of the tree. It is sobering to realize that the fashion-conscious mockers in the great and spacious building were responsible for embarrassing many, and those who were ashamed “fell away into forbidden paths and were lost” (1 Nephi 8:27–28).President N. Eldon Tanner once cautioned us with these words: “Modesty in dress is a quality of mind and heart, born of respect for oneself, one’s fellowmen, and the Creator of us all. Modesty reflects an attitude of humility, decency, and propriety. Consistent with these principles and guided by the Holy Spirit, let parents, teachers, and youth discuss the particulars of dress, grooming, and personal appearance, and with free agency accept responsibility and choose the right” (“Friend to Friend,”Friend, June 1971, 3).

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  54. It is comforting for me to know that in reference to the very last line, BYUI is indeed taking upon themselves the responsibility of modesty in their school based on principles of our church.  It is indeed reflecting the standards which make us such a peculiar people to the rest of the world.

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  55. That is a good point about professionalism at BYU-I.

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  56. Yes, skinny jeans that don't make you feel like you're in a sausage casing at a decent price is hard to come by...

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  57. BYU schools aren't just concerned with dress codes. The Mormon church is very involved in humanitarian efforts across the globe:  http://lds.org/service/humanitarian?lang=eng.

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  58. I went to BYU Idaho for 1 year and it was all i could handle. When you become so strict and extreme in your rules, it will eventually backfire. The attitude about dress standards there is way to extreme. Even my friends that went to BYU (in Utah) said they would not be able to handle the dress standards there. Someone that is fully dressed and covered can be pornographic and inappropriate just as much as someone in less clothing. This is purely about "Mormon culture" and it give the rest of us Mormon's a bad name.

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  59. I personally think that BYU-I, although having good
    intentions, goes too far in terms of dress code guidelines. While the Mormon
    religion does have a lot of standards and guidelines, people seem to forget
    that there is a big emphasis on letting people "govern" themselves.
    We know what the set standards are, and it should be up to each individual
    member of the Church to use their own discretion.


    To be honest it kind of bothers me when I hear about
    stuff like this because it is just one more thing that makes Mormons look “weird”
    and that we have to explain. While BYU-I is a private school that has a right
    to determine whatever dress code they please, they are Church owned. Because of
    this, people get confused. I guarantee right now there are people out there who
    now think “Mormons can’t wear skinny jeans.”


    Modesty has different meanings for different people. For
    example, I grew up going to early morning Seminary, and would often wear pajama
    pants to class because of how early the class was. At one point they stated
    that pj’s were immodest because boys might look at us in a way they are not
    suppose to. I remember being very upset. How do my not form fitting, moon covered
    pj pants make a difference? Then I hear that people think skinny jeans are
    immodest because they are too tight? Then there is shorts, what if my shorts
    are tight does that make them immodest now? The list of questions and opinions
    could go on for forever. At the end of that day, I think the church wants women
    who look clean cut, put together, and that are covering their bodies appropriately.
    That is my personal definition.  


    To be honest, guys are always going to look at women as
    attractive beautiful people, no matter what we are wearing. I don’t think that
    means we shouldn’t be cautious about what we are wearing and the message it sends
    to men, but to me wearing a nice pair of fitted jeans, a cute top etc. sends
    the message of, “Hey I take care of myself and take an interest in what I wear
    and put on my body.” I am not sure if I am making any sense but I hope my
    opinion comes across correctly. I value all of the standards that the Church
    and my parents have brought into my life, but sometimes wish other members
    would let people “govern themselves.” There is a fine line. If the Prophet came
    out tomorrow and said, No more skinny jeans.... I guess I would have to go
    shopping!

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  60. Personal opinion - the real problem is the tight fitting area on the thighs, not the ankles. So, whether it's skinny or not on the bottom, girls will wear tight jeans regardless!

    Check out our blog about the BYU-I dress code on more tips to dress modestly! http://standardfit.blogspot.com/

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  61. I went to UCLA and they do not think skinny jeans are immodest you are just a bunch of narrowminded hypocrites

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  62. I don't let religion tell me what I can and cannot wear UCLA is far better school so there

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  63. I really don't think form fitting is something you can get away from. Even a fitted jacket of a suit is form fitting. So are most men's slacks except for baggy chinos. Skinny jeans are actually tapered jeans. Thats all there is to it.

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